More Mainstream Notice

Well, okay; I’m not exactly sure how “mainstream” the Salon.com website is, but they’re certainly bigger than, say, this blog.  And with their Huffington Post tie-in, and now pulling articles from Alter.Net, I’d say they’re pretty big.  And they just posted an interesting comparison between the decline of Rome and the decline of America.

As is often the case, when the mainstream gets hold of something like this, the “comments” section is where things get truly interesting.  The very first post, in fact, agrees with the premise, but disagrees with the reasoning behind the article; much discussion ensues.  (Go ahead and read them; I’ll wait…)  As ever, I’m of mixed opinion here.  I’ve long compared the Roman Empire’s collapse to our own descent, but mostly based on my rather unfocused high school-level education on the subject of Rome.  (I often cite the “bread-and-circuses” effect, where the citizenry can vote themselves entertainment and cheap snacks, I’m looking at the rise in obesity and “reality TV”.)  Still, the first poster’s premise is that Rome exceeded its environment’s carrying capacity; I’d submit that that happened at least as soon as they started talking Empire, and probably well before.

No, what I’d call Salon’s list is a comparison of the Political Declines and Falls of the two empires.  I can easily see points 2, 3, and 5; my knowledge of Roman history doesn’t extend as far as the issues raised by the other five points, but I’m willing to take the authors of those other histories at their word.

Now, none of the eight points in the article, nor even all eight taken together, are either proof of or cause of the collapse, either then or now.  They’re certainly strong indications, however, that things are headed in a direction most people would rather not think about.

And yet, Perhaps it’s just me, but to quote a favorite movie of mine, I’ve felt a sudden disturbance in the Force…  This is a bit more of a good one, I think.  I had been seeing tension ramp up and up, as if everyone was waiting for a sudden precipitous drop (down to the next “step” in the Long Collapse).  Lately, however, that seems to have eased.  Have we reached the next step, and it wasn’t as far down as we feared?  Or is this the calm before the storm?  (Or, am I completely imagining things?)  Time will tell.  As is my wont, I’m cautiously optimistic, and keeping my preps stocked.

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3 Responses to More Mainstream Notice

  1. DemLib in AZ says:

    I’ve felt this a bit too…or perhaps it’s moved in another direction. I think a lot of it is due to the election. I do feel less of a sense of an imminent economic collapse, but that’s been replaced with widening rift due to the gun ‘control’ issue. I keep wondering if things could go as far as a rebellion by those who feel there can be no arms regulations whatsoever. Maybe I just am feeling that way because I am in Arizona. A part of which is a growing movement I am seeing in the West denying that Newtown (Sandy Hook) ever happened, claiming that it was a hoax engineered to create gun controls.

    • The “Newtown denial” folks absolutely baffle me. I’m left wondering, first, do they think that badly of the President/Democrats/Left-in-general that they believe we would or could do something like that, either actually or staged? And second, do they think “we” could do that, because “they” could/would? (For clarity, I don’t believe anybody, from any end of the political spectrum, either could or would perpetrate such an atrocity, particularly not solely to further a rather petty political aim.)
      I think the “easing” is at least in part from the shift in the Fiscal Cliff, combined with the passage of the elections. Still, optimistic though I may generally be, the paranoid side of me is waiting for the other shoe to fall…

      • DemLib in AZ says:

        I agree with you that the easing is in part due to the backoff from the Fiscal Cliff. But I guess you’ve heard that at least one sheriff in AZ has written a letter to the President informing him that he simply will NOT follow any federal ban on ‘assault weapons’, along with a bill now pending in the AZ State legislature REQUIRING the state to not follow any Federal law regarding guns.

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